OS Sheet Improvement Discussion - Revision history

LegacyKing: Update details

2012-03-16T06:06:12Z

Update details

LegacyKing: Update Issues - ask clarification

2012-03-14T23:30:19Z

Update Issues - ask clarification

LegacyKing: Add link to screen shots

2012-03-14T04:10:55Z

Add link to screen shots

FerretDave: Output Sheet Layout Review/ redo

2012-02-09T18:25:09Z

Output Sheet Layout Review/ redo

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Discussion from thread http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen/message/107383 migrated here for ease of use

A list of suggested updates to the character output sheet.

'''General Aims:'''

Improve the format through reorganisation and alternative display styles to reduce the overall page count of an OS (primarily by improving spell lists).

Ensure that the majority of the regularly used information (specifically combat related) appears on the first page (or first 2 pages at least), this involves moving some less used information to subsequent pages.

Allow 'equipment' changes to be made, and only require a re-print of the first few (ideally 1 or 2) pages - this may already be satisfied.

'''Suggestions'''

Move fields off P1 onto Bio page.
(most of the 'descriptive' fields are not referenced very often, so aren't need on the first page)
Alignment (to help keep such information secret for those in disguise) JIRA
Region - can also be a giveaway for disguised characters.
Deity - move to keep secret, do clerics really need a reminder on P1? JIRA
Height, Weight - though can be useful as they come into play for traps. JIRA (covers descriptive fields in general, as an option)
Eyes, Hair - Any reason to duplicate these on P1 and Bio?
Age, Gender, Race - Not sure of benefit in moving these over leaving as is.
Points - Character generation points? Do they need outputting at all?
Reduce header line to just 2 rows.

Remove duplicated fields
BAB - listed by itself, and then for each variation of Melee, Ranged, Grapple and CMD

Add fields to P1
Effective Level & Challenge Rating
Templates applied (Rage is the biggie - Barbarians want two copies of P1 and need to differentiate) JIRA
Spell effects applied (potential for very large list, perhaps limited display)
Companions box - who's who in the party is often referred to (in my group) JIRA
Party Companions box - is there any benefit to having just of list of PC's separately to Companions?

Update fields
AC split out for all the possible types of enhancements
More weapons being displayed on P1
Skills broken out to show class, feat, equipment modifiers
Shift Miss Chance, ASF, ACP, Spell Resistance down a row (freeing up space for AC details)
Shift Speed, DR, Subdual down a row
Move HP 'box' to far right, reduce size of box and use Margin for continued damage notes JIRA
Move Subdual damage box to far right, as per HP
Encumbrance to persist (even 'light' should still show, and show limit before reaching next bracket)
Turning table - using that space for non-clerics, adding special attacks into that space (but what to do with multi-class that need both?)
Equipment - ensure that changes to carried equipment only affects first two pages (avoid reprinting entire sheet) JIRA
Prevent a large portrait from pushing the 'stats' section down.
Force portrait on P1 to be a small picture (limited to header size)?
Conditional Modifiers - move to one side, or bottom of page(?) to allow extended notes in margin?
Feats ('disadvantages' on Drews sample sheet) - limit source name to prevent long feats/disadvantages from wrapping rather than forcing 70%/30% split.
Footer - unbold the 'character:' and 'Player:' prefixes, leaving just the actual tokens bold.
Simple weapon display - put 'total attack bonus' and 'damage' as prefixes to the actual value rather than a separate row

Display style
Bio/header information has a line between the data and the title, alter this to make it more intuitive
(box the info together or put the title as a prefix to the token?)
Use initial caps rather than all caps on headers

Page order
With double sided printing, pages 2 & 3 become more valuable open side by side in a binder, thus page 1 becomes essentially just a cover sheet. However, single sided printing seems more favourable currently.

Filing Assistance
To aid in finding a specific character, NPC or monster from a ring binder:
Level/ECL/CR prominent on P1 -done
Character Name, Player Name & Level on footer of every page JIRA-done
Type & Subtype prominent on P1

Include files /templating
not a quick fix - simplify building new OS by providing building blocks for each individual section on the OS, to be arranged on the page by end users.

[[Spell List Suggested Improvements]]

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 * Age, Gender, Race - Not sure of benefit in moving these over leaving as is.
 * Points - Character generation points? Do they need outputting at all?
-* Reduce header line to just 2 rows.
+* Reduce header line to just 2 rows. - We need to keep it three rows or else the thumbnail doesn't fit. [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 17:06, 16 March 2012 (EST)
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 * not a quick fix - simplify building new OS by providing building blocks for each individual section on the OS, to be arranged on the page by end users.
 === [[Spell List Suggested Improvements]] ===

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+=== '''General Aims:''' ===
 Improve the format through reorganisation and alternative display styles to reduce the overall page count of an OS (primarily by improving spell lists).
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-'''Suggestions'''
+=== '''Suggestions''' ===
-Move fields off P1 onto Bio page.
+* Alignment (to help keep such information secret for those in disguise)  JIRA
-   (most of the 'descriptive' fields are not referenced very often, so aren't need on the first page)
+* Region - can also be a giveaway for disguised characters.
-   Alignment (to help keep such information secret for those in disguise)  JIRA
+* Deity - move to keep secret, do clerics really need a reminder on P1? JIRA
-   Region - can also be a giveaway for disguised characters.
+* Height, Weight - though can be useful as they come into play for traps. JIRA (covers descriptive fields in general, as an option)
-   Deity - move to keep secret, do clerics really need a reminder on P1? JIRA
+* Eyes, Hair - Any reason to duplicate these on P1 and Bio?
-   Height, Weight - though can be useful as they come into play for traps. JIRA (covers descriptive fields in general, as an option)
+* Age, Gender, Race - Not sure of benefit in moving these over leaving as is.
-   Eyes, Hair - Any reason to duplicate these on P1 and Bio?
+* Points - Character generation points? Do they need outputting at all?
-   Age, Gender, Race - Not sure of benefit in moving these over leaving as is.
+* Reduce header line to just 2 rows.
 Remove duplicated fields
-   BAB - listed by itself, and then for each variation of Melee, Ranged, Grapple and CMD
+* BAB - listed by itself, and then for each variation of Melee, Ranged, Grapple and CMD - Done on Exp Sheet [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
 Add fields to P1
-   Effective Level & Challenge Rating
+* Effective Level & Challenge Rating - Done [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
-   Templates applied (Rage is the biggie - Barbarians want two copies of P1 and need to differentiate) JIRA
+* Templates applied (Rage is the biggie - Barbarians want two copies of P1 and need to differentiate) JIRA
-   Spell effects applied (potential for very large list, perhaps limited display)
+* Spell effects applied (potential for very large list, perhaps limited display)
-   Companions box - who's who in the party is often referred to (in my group) JIRA
+* Companions box - who's who in the party is often referred to (in my group) JIRA
-   Party Companions box - is there any benefit to having just of list of PC's separately to Companions?
+** This is on the notes page, not sure we have any room on P1, this can easily be left on the Bio / Notes Page [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
 Update fields
-   AC split out for all the possible types of enhancements
+* AC split out for all the possible types of enhancements
-   More weapons being displayed on P1
+** Added Morale, Insight, Sacred and Profane - Done [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
-   Skills broken out to show class, feat, equipment modifiers
+* More weapons being displayed on P1
-   Shift Miss Chance, ASF, ACP, Spell Resistance down a row (freeing up space for AC details)
+** This is tricky as the room available changes based upon class abilities [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
-   Shift Speed, DR, Subdual down a row
+* Skills broken out to show class, feat, equipment modifiers
-   Move HP 'box' to far right, reduce size of box and use Margin for continued damage notes JIRA
+** The available room leaves this as a "Would be nice" otherwise, either the columns become extremely tiny, and we get complaints of text being to small, or skills get moved to another page for a full display. [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
-   Move Subdual damage box to far right, as per HP
+* Shift Miss Chance, ASF, ACP, Spell Resistance down a row (freeing up space for AC details) - Complete [Condensed Sheet]
-   Encumbrance to persist (even 'light' should still show, and show limit before reaching next bracket)
+* Shift Speed, DR, Subdual down a row
-   Turning table - using that space for non-clerics, adding special attacks into that space (but what to do with multi-class that need both?)
+* Move HP 'box' to far right, reduce size of box and use Margin for continued damage notes JIRA
-   Equipment - ensure that changes to carried equipment only affects first two pages (avoid reprinting entire sheet) JIRA
+** This presents some additional work as the HP Row has two displays based upon Game Mode [Vitality & Wounds vs. HP] [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
-   Prevent a large portrait from pushing the 'stats' section down.
+* Move Subdual damage box to far right, as per HP
-   Force portrait on P1 to be a small picture (limited to header size)?
+** Please Clarify this request, I can't have two fields in the same "Far Right" so which one is where? [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
-   Conditional Modifiers - move to one side, or bottom of page(?) to allow extended notes in margin?
+* Encumbrance to persist (even 'light' should still show, and show limit before reaching next bracket)
-   Feats ('disadvantages' on Drews sample sheet) - limit source name to prevent long feats/disadvantages from wrapping rather than forcing 70%/30% split.
+* Turning table - using that space for non-clerics, adding special attacks into that space (but what to do with multi-class that need both?)
-   Footer - unbold the 'character:' and 'Player:' prefixes, leaving just the actual tokens bold.
+** uhg - Turning Table isn't the only table that occupies that space, that also houses Bombs, Raging, and plenty of other special abilities. If someone wishes to add something there, they can already do so with a Checklist Box (Otherwise, you'll be taking up valuable space again).  [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
-   Simple weapon display - put 'total attack bonus' and 'damage' as prefixes to the actual value rather than a separate row
+** Second issue, those Checkbox Abilities don't port nicely to a second page so need to fix that as well.
 Display style
-   Bio/header information has a line between the data and the title, alter this to make it more intuitive
+* Bio/header information has a line between the data and the title, alter this to make it more intuitive
-   (box the info together or put the title as a prefix to the token?)
+** (box the info together or put the title as a prefix to the token?)
-   Use initial caps rather than all caps on headers
+* Use initial caps rather than all caps on headers
 Page order
-   With double sided printing, pages 2 & 3 become more valuable open side by side in a binder, thus page 1 becomes essentially just a cover sheet. However, single sided printing seems more favourable currently.
+* With double sided printing, pages 2 & 3 become more valuable open side by side in a binder, thus page 1 becomes essentially just a cover sheet. However, single sided printing seems more favourable currently.
 Filing Assistance
-   To aid in finding a specific character, NPC or monster from a ring binder:
+* To aid in finding a specific character, NPC or monster from a ring binder:
-   Level/ECL/CR prominent on P1    -done
+* Level/ECL/CR prominent on P1    -done [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
-   Character Name, Player Name & Level on footer of every page JIRA-done
+* Character Name, Player Name & Level on footer of every page JIRA-done [[User:LegacyKing|LegacyKing]] 10:30, 15 March 2012 (EST)
-   Type & Subtype prominent on P1
+* Type & Subtype prominent on P1
 Include files /templating
-   not a quick fix - simplify building new OS by providing building blocks for each individual section on the OS, to be arranged on the page by end users.
+* not a quick fix - simplify building new OS by providing building blocks for each individual section on the OS, to be arranged on the page by end users.
-[[Spell List Suggested Improvements]]
+=== [[Spell List Suggested Improvements]] ===