Data Meeting 2012 11-23

Attendance:

• SB - Barak
• 2nd - Andrew

Summary:

• Item Vars needs to be a priority for this cycle
• Combat Iterations needs to be discussed
• Re-Implement a full QA Team

Log

• [15:18] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> The floor is yours Barak
• [15:18] <Content_SB[Barak> Any chance we can snag more data people to attend?
• [15:18] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> Stefan is asleep by now normally
• [15:18] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> 'Eric isn't here
• [15:19] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> gjorbond is eidolon only
• [15:19] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> the rest I can't reach easily
• [15:20] <Content_SB[Barak> Ok, lets start with discussion of what WE would like from code. I have two items IO'd like to see, one is major, the other I don't know about.
• [15:21] <Content_SB[Barak> 1) Equipment variables
• [15:21] <Content_SB[Barak> 2) Attack iteration bonusing
• [15:22] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> #1 is very much needed
• [15:23] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> #2 I'd like, but we'd have to alter the OS once we implemented it
• [15:24] <Content_SB[Barak> If we have to limit ourselves to one, that would be it.  :) We really need to push for it IMO. It's beenm put oppff for years, time to get it in motion.
• [15:24] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> #2 would handle Monk Flurry of Blows; feats / spells that grant extra attacks
• [15:25] <Content_SB[Barak> Why I picked it.  :)
• [15:25] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> Yeah, of all the wish list items, Item Vars is my number one
• [15:26] <Content_SB[Barak> We need to communicate that to James... They kinda hjad their code meeting in a vacuum... Unless you gave them a list of stuff we'd like to have done by code next cycle?
• [15:27] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> The Code meeting was what the code members would like to tackle. Tom asked for a discussion forum for our big items on how to handle it... I've set it up and haven't heard a PEEP yet.
• [15:27] <Content_SB[Barak> Yay.
• [15:28] <Content_SB[Barak> Ok, I'll be happy if we can get those two items. We'll sort out how to prod code and coordinate it later,.
• [15:29] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> Basically, we have a ton of new tag requests but Tom wanted to know what was really required so a solution could be found, which may or may not use the tags.
• [15:29] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> Like CHOOSE:ABILITY wasn't what the data team could use...
• [15:29] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> I can't bonus something with an output name of "CATEGORY=Special Ability|Dodge"
• [15:30] <Content_SB[Barak> As we've explained the item vars time and again, I don't think that one requires any more discussion. The rest I'm all for getting it nailed down.
• [15:30] <Content_SB[Barak> Yeah, that code in a vacuum thing again on CHOOSE:ABILITY.  :p
• [15:31] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> Yeah, being able to get the two teams together would be nice. We need a serious pow wow discussion to sort through the requests
• [15:31] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> a ton of NEW TAG requests go away once the Item Var is realized
• [15:32] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> now, if we could get QUALITY in EQMODs we'd be golden. ;)
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• [15:32] <Content_SB[Barak> Honestly, it would be a lot easier for me via e-mail with my schedule, but if we want to set a time for a chat I can attempt to make sure I'm available.
• [15:33] <Content_SB[Barak> Ok, we've beaten that horse enough Ithink, lets drag the next one out.  :)
• [15:33] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> I don't mind email
• [15:33] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> *neigh*
• [15:35] <Content_SB[Barak> I'd like to (re)implement a QA team. Plain old users, no LST experience necessary.
• [15:36] <Content_SB[Barak> Just some people willing to *systematically* beat on the datasets and help us find issues.
• [15:36] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> Yeah, with our lack of available Data Chimps, it'd be nice to have someone who can review sets completely. I think we might have to officially list the bar on monkeys reviewing their own sets (I've been ignoring it wholehearted as I've been alpha to d20ogl reviews). As we lack people with the time or drive.
• [15:36] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> lift*
• [15:37] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> I have one user who has been great at the testing. If we can get him to do it on a regular basis that would work nicely.
• [15:37] <Content_SB[Barak> Iknow we've tried it before, but with the 6.0 release I'd like to try it again. If we can get any interest, we can hash out a method and maybe even a JIRAworkflow for itl
• [15:38] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> JIRA workflow is easy
• [15:38] <Content_SB[Barak> I'd like a team, but even one would be beneficial IMO
• [15:38] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> put out a request on the mailing lists
• [15:39] <Content_SB[Barak> I know actually making the workflow would be easy, the difficult part would be deciding what it should be.  :p
• [15:39] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> Are we looking for a separate project?
• [15:39] <Content_SB[Barak> Yeah, I'll do that later this weekend. Wanted to make sure we were in agreement.
• [15:39] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> or part of newsource?
• [15:40] <Content_SB[Barak> Part of NewSource is my initial reaction to that question, although I suppose here are pros/cons to doing it seperately.
• [15:41] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> We have Alpha Data Review as part of the workflow
• [15:42] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> and then Full Release Review
• [15:42] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> so the steps are already there
• [15:42] <Content_SB[Barak> Ok, it's already in there we'll leave it there, just flesh it out more fiully when we come up with the proper methods.
• [15:43] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> the assignee and who can push it through are limited to QA or Chimp too ;)
• [15:49] <Content_SB[Barak> I think those were the two main issues Iwanted to talk about. You have anything?
• [15:49] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> Just wondering if you wanted me to focus on anything in particular.
• [15:50] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> My goal is to move all the alphas not recently added to d20ogl...
• [15:51] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> We have a bunch of projects, determining where to focus my attention is the hard part
• [15:54] <Content_SB[Barak> Yeah, I hear ya. Keep on the Alpha sets, those are finite, and you should be done eventually. That and getting Equipment Vars moving.
• [15:56] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> okay. We also have a new member, I've started him on a simple bug fix, get him oriented to the team. I believe he wanted to work on PF books, so once he's got some experience under his belt, I'll unleash him on those.
• [15:56] <Content_SB[Barak> Good, we need people.  :)
• [15:56] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> We do
• [15:57] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> Seeker of Secrets has been languishing. It wasn't finished due to ioun stones
• [15:57] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> And prestige classes?
• [15:58] <Content_SB[Barak> Is that a PF book? And why would an item that's in the core 3.0/3.5 stuff cause the hold-up?
• [15:59] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> and just for kicks, I uploaded pretty much a raw Tome of Horrors III. I had coded up a few monsters 6 years ago for my dad's game. (I'm just repeating what the tracker said, I don't know what the hold up is, I haven't investigated it personally. Just shoved the set into NFD)
• [16:01] <Content_SB[Barak> AH.
• [16:02] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> okay, finish the alpha conversion, and then do you want me to finalize the core sets (I have a few remaining items I wanted to handle left)
• [16:03] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> Afterwards, push out the almost finished sets, or work on the newer ones being requested?
• [16:04] <Content_SB[Barak> Alpha, core, almost done, new requests. I don't care to waste the time and effort that has gone into those almost finished sets.
• [16:05] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> sounds good
• [16:05] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> I think that covers what I had... we should work out the new tag with code. Email may be the best method to get the dialog going.
• [16:07] <Content_SB[Barak> Sounds good, I'll leave that one with you (just cc me in so I'm aware of what is happening).
• [16:07] <@Data2nd[Andrew]> no problem